Where are the PHP & Open Source jobs?

[phpmysql]

Hi,

I'm a newbie with PHP, Mysql and Perl and really like it. My question is this: With Open Source software being the most prevalent on the Net, why are there fewer advertised jobs than with Microsoft and others?

If you go to Monster.com or other online job boards and do the search, you will notice the striking difference.

[powerfulsquid]

yea, i've been wondering the same thing myself.

[phpmysql]

I just went to Monster.com and did a national search on jobs where PHP was required. There were 276 hits just a minute ago.

I did the same for Microsoft's ASP. There were 3,931 hits. Whoa, big difference.

Here's a link (hope it's still good by the time you read this) to one of the PHP jobs. This webhosting company wants an experienced Java, Perl, PHP programmer. The salary is $24k - $30k. WTH! Is this typical?

http://jobsearch.monster.com/getjob.asp?JobID=15812447&AVSDM=2002%2D09%2D06+04%3A13%3A00%2E000&CCD=my%2Emonster%2Ecom&JSD=jobsearch%2Emonster%2Ecom&HD=company%2Emonster%2Ecom&AD=http%3A%2F%2Fjobsearch%2Emonster%2Ecom%2Fjobsearch%2Easp%3Fcy%3DUS%26brd%3D1%252C1863%26lid%3D%26fn%3D%26q%3Dphp%26sort%3Drv%26vw%3Db&Logo=1&col=dltci&cy=US&brd=1%2C1863&lid=&fn=&q=php

[nashirak]

Why arent there many jobs?

At least for PHP, most companies dont like this language. They hear big buzzwords like Java servlets or ASP.NET or something of the like. Why? Because PHP doesnt market itself very well. Since PHP is opensource and free, PHP doesnt pay (like Sun or Microsoft) to hire marketers to go after big buisnesses pushing there language over another. This is one reason. Second reason. Companies are scared I think of opensource. They think free and think inferior. They think open, they think security risk. Third, since you are programing in a true opensource language, an opensource language I think lends itself to opensource applications and development.

The upswing is, companies are starting to see that PHP is a nice language, and an ASP alternative under *nix systems.

But hey thats just my 2 cents.

[tha_mink]

Yeah...but also its a matter of support. When you use PHP or other open source tools...you are pretty much on your own. You pay microsoft for support as much as you do for the code. (How long until REHAT support costs more than Windows?) You have a problem...you can call tech support and they can hold your hand. Plus if you have huge money invested in your content/products/services/ it makes sense to have a scapegoat when the whole thing comes crashing down.

[phpmysql]

It's a shame b/c I'd rather do PHP professionally.

OK, what I'll do is all my hobby sites in PHP, and I'll pick up ASP (or whatever) so that a living can be made and I can put food on the table ...

[daynah]

Hmm That's too bad. I never noticed this before since I do program in PHP/mysql at my job (and yes I love it. :))

I think companies need to see samples of things that can be done in PHP rather than paying big bucks for other languages because they're a 'trusted' brand name.

[aircombat]

Why I like PHP.

I am a PHP newbie but the following I think is important.

I use ASP at work and PHP in my other interests.

First my webserver people at work, god bless them are as dumb as a box of rocks. I don't mean that against their person, thats just the way it is. Many times when I want to do some ASP script that is useful to my department ( photography ) the script won't work because the webserver (MS) isn't configured correctly. ( hey I can do ASP includes; yippie ). If I need a serious database ( Access is a non starter for anything serious ) My next step is MS SQL or Oracle ( not an option in my situation ) The IT department is maybe not too open to anything that makes their job harder ( my situation only not a broad brush )

Now I have just started using PHP in my outside of work interests and you know what? I am yet to be limited by anything. The only roadblocks I encounter are based on my lack of experience.

So there you go. Not a total answer. But if you had to start a project today I think you first have to decide: " Do you want maximum growth room in case it gets big?" And you know what? If I had to, I would pay for PHP and MySQL if needed. So for me the price by itself doesn't mean much. I don't think I would use ASP if it were free, given what I know now.

BTW nice site Daynah. Looks very useful.

[phpmysql]

Props to all who have jobs with PHP!

But I have to go with what puts food on the table. Not just for the next job, but something that a lot of companies will likely hire on the long-term for (although it's hard to use the word 'long-term' when it comes to IT nowadays).

Believe me, in today's IT job market, it gets ugly out there if you get unemployed. Just go visit the Technology forum at monster.com. Lots of lost souls there. Best to stick with something that improves your chances for a job. No matter how good you are. You can be a $100k per year programmer today but tomorrow start the stretch of unemployment that can last for a year.

But, I'd rather there be the same number of jobs with PHP with 6-figure dollar jobs than other platforms!

[tha_mink]

Still though...the key to hireability is variation. the more you know...the more you know. I have made money with php but not only php. If you are a web programmer you need to know a little of everything. Java, Javascript, ASP, PHP, Perl, MySql, Oracle, etc.

Everything just adds to your hireability.

[phpmysql]

100% agree!

[Bunkermaster]

*cough*PYTHON*cough* ;)

[cahva]

Bunkermaster, hope you got that big ugly snake out from your throat :D

[Bunkermaster]

/me looks around...

no but you might concider the HUGE cigar I am smoking (which is definitly a baaad habbit) as a snake. :D

[kaumilpatel]

Check out some freelance sites. Or you can make your own scripts and sell them.

A good freelance site:

- http://www.scriptlance.com

[smook]

sort of continuing what nashirak was saying a little while ago...

i think its true that a lot of companies are afraid of taking an open source route - and for that matter there is comfort to know that millions of dollars are behind the product that might crash at any time - the perception being its not fly-by-night fad ....

the other thing i see as more important, though, is that Microsoft and SUN and Oracle all offer certification courses in their products - from an HR perspective its easy to hire people that are an MSCE or Java Certified or whatever- especially if you're a head hunter or HR person that is matching job qualifications listed to resumes. Its not their job to know that someone that has 5 years of experience developing PHP apps could switch to ASP or JSP in a heartbeat -

that's MY 2 cents
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[gid]

Interesting indeed. I'm one of the lucky ones to have a fulltime job programming php. One of the things we've been having trouble recently is finding people that need new work done. Most of what I'm doing now is maintaining code for existing clients that we got back during the dotcom boom. (The ones that are still around anyway.) Plus I of course have other misc jobs such as server maintenance, but that's minimal as we mostly run Linux, so I just have to upgrade software ever so often.

We've expanded out to other fields, such as server hosting, shared hosting, renting out office space, hardware sales, cabling jobs, etc, but alas, times are still tough.

[jeremuck]

I don't know that anyone can have an opensource job.

Companies regard intellectual property very important. If you code something, they want complete control over it.

You can't sell open source code, what you can do is sell services based on it.

People that deal with open source deal with services, not code production.

[tha_mink]

I don't know that anyone can have an opensource job.

Well...you can make a nice living programming for open source software. Look at all the unix sysadmins out there.

You make the money USING open source software not writing it.

tha_mink

[jeremuck]

*nod* you are right.

I guess I consider that a service.

[getDizzle]

I've spent the last 2 years teaching myself PHP and Perl. I manage a nightshift sysadmin staff who oversees a 1000+ server network with a mix of Solaris, Linux, BSD, and Windows servers. There is a considerable amount of free time when things are running smoothly that affords me the ability to learn whatever I choose. I have always been incredibly biased towards UNIX/open source based systems and development platforms, eg. PHP/MySQL/Perl/UNIX.

Well, after spending the last 6 months unsuccessfully looking for a job doing development in PHP/Perl/MySQL in Florida I finally bit the bullet and installed .NET/SQL2k/IIS on my PC at home and bought myself "ASP Unleashed." Maybe in 6 months I can start testing the Microsoft job market which seems to be much friendlier.

This is a great topic so just doing a little bumpage :)

[PyroX]

yahoo is going to php, apply there !