The Chancer
10-14-2003, 10:03 AM
When would you classify a n00b as not a n00b ??
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goldbug
10-14-2003, 10:15 AM
Well, I'm a condescending ass, so I'm going to have to vote 'never'.
Realistically though... there's always going to be someone who knows more about any specific subject than you. (You meaning anyone reading this post, not you, Chancer)
Though, I'm probably the wrong person to answer this poll, because I'm pretty much a n3wb myself.
One possibility for some sort of 'line' between newbie/non-newbie....... when you are helping yourself and others more than you are (need to) asking for help.
Realistically though... there's always going to be someone who knows more about any specific subject than you. (You meaning anyone reading this post, not you, Chancer)
Though, I'm probably the wrong person to answer this poll, because I'm pretty much a n3wb myself.
One possibility for some sort of 'line' between newbie/non-newbie....... when you are helping yourself and others more than you are (need to) asking for help.
The Chancer
10-14-2003, 10:23 AM
The never was my thought also, as you will always find something new about something..... I mean - take English for example - as my first language - I am still learning words...
bad76
10-14-2003, 10:44 AM
/me voting Posthumously...
I agree with goldbug, any guy is always a newbie about any subject, but "never" is a bit too... (i'm an optimist, my glass is half-full :) ).
And i think always wrong to answer with a time: a day you are noob, the day after not?
I think you are not a noob when you can think your project and you know what you can do and what not.
I agree with goldbug, any guy is always a newbie about any subject, but "never" is a bit too... (i'm an optimist, my glass is half-full :) ).
And i think always wrong to answer with a time: a day you are noob, the day after not?
I think you are not a noob when you can think your project and you know what you can do and what not.
LordShryku
10-14-2003, 11:45 AM
Originally posted by goldbug
Well, I'm a condescending ass, so I'm going to have to vote 'never'.
Though, I'm probably the wrong person to answer this poll, because I'm pretty much a n3wb myself.
I also thought goldbug was a condecending newbie ass! :D :D
Well, I'm a condescending ass, so I'm going to have to vote 'never'.
Though, I'm probably the wrong person to answer this poll, because I'm pretty much a n3wb myself.
I also thought goldbug was a condecending newbie ass! :D :D
stolzyboy
10-14-2003, 12:25 PM
Originally posted by LordShryku
I also thought goldbug was a condecending newbie ass! :D :D
Me too! j/k :D
oh, my vote was never, but goldbug hit the nail on the head with that explanation, IMHO anyway...
I also thought goldbug was a condecending newbie ass! :D :D
Me too! j/k :D
oh, my vote was never, but goldbug hit the nail on the head with that explanation, IMHO anyway...
rpanning
10-14-2003, 04:10 PM
I agree with never.
So if we are all noobs then shouldn't we all be posting our questions in the Newbies forum? LOL
So if we are all noobs then shouldn't we all be posting our questions in the Newbies forum? LOL
n00854180t
10-14-2003, 04:23 PM
I think it depends on what you are talking about. Being a n00b to the forums, or to PHP.
I think for the first case, you are a n00b until no one her can answer your questions (too advanced or something...whatever).
As for being a n00b to PHP, I think that when you have become reasonable familiar with a working knowledge of common functions [edit] and the ability to put functions you don't know into use without asking for help.
I think for the first case, you are a n00b until no one her can answer your questions (too advanced or something...whatever).
As for being a n00b to PHP, I think that when you have become reasonable familiar with a working knowledge of common functions [edit] and the ability to put functions you don't know into use without asking for help.
Merve
10-14-2003, 08:39 PM
I said posthumously because lots of guys became famous after they died.
laserlight
10-15-2003, 02:30 AM
Since the poll didnt specify the subject matter, I say never, since everyone is, or will be, a newbie is some subject or another.
planetsim
10-15-2003, 06:53 AM
I dont ask questions, that doesnt mean im incompetent at things in PHP and Programming concepts in that matter. I would still say im nOOb material.
So id say never
So id say never
dalecosp
10-16-2003, 10:48 AM
Hmm. Laserlight has a good point about subject matter. I could agree, perhaps, on that. Learning never stops.
However, if we're talking about the profession/hobby that's most often represented here, I can't say "never". I can *almost* say never. I'm sure that never is true in my case, but...
There are a few phenomenally interesting gentlegeeks who come 'round here occasionally and discuss subjects like exponential calculus while reminiscing about the first FORTRAN compilers coming out when they got their first jobs, or some such; they know history, programming, and have a wide range of experience.
It's even evident in their code (at times) that they have logged lots of seat time in many different environments. And, to tell truth, some of them probably aren't so old.
I'm not one of these guys .... I enjoy their company greatly in the forums, learn from them, envy them their talent, and talk to them as if they were my friends. It'd be nice to think that if we ever met, we could be, a little. (However it's not too likely to happen with most of them.)
But there's a critical difference, and way in which they are not like me at all. I'm noobie, and they're not; even though they'd be the first to give something akin to an "aw shucks" (in geek terms, of course) in response to a statement like that.
Now, lest you think I'm only talking about one fellow or two with very high post counts, that's not necessarily true. There are others whose postings share these qualities, but post much less often. Probably they have learned that they have only so much time, and have discplined themselves to not spend too much time here. Or, perhaps they spread their unique knowledge and point of view on some other forum more often --- I am sure that group of folks is fortunate to hear from them.
So, the best answer might be "not never, but it usually takes a loooooong time..."
Don't kid me. You see it once in a great while, admist all the frittering that goes on around here. You can *tell* the voices of experience. Or at least, I can.
Sincerely,
dalecosp
Pre-Epoch Newbie...
However, if we're talking about the profession/hobby that's most often represented here, I can't say "never". I can *almost* say never. I'm sure that never is true in my case, but...
There are a few phenomenally interesting gentlegeeks who come 'round here occasionally and discuss subjects like exponential calculus while reminiscing about the first FORTRAN compilers coming out when they got their first jobs, or some such; they know history, programming, and have a wide range of experience.
It's even evident in their code (at times) that they have logged lots of seat time in many different environments. And, to tell truth, some of them probably aren't so old.
I'm not one of these guys .... I enjoy their company greatly in the forums, learn from them, envy them their talent, and talk to them as if they were my friends. It'd be nice to think that if we ever met, we could be, a little. (However it's not too likely to happen with most of them.)
But there's a critical difference, and way in which they are not like me at all. I'm noobie, and they're not; even though they'd be the first to give something akin to an "aw shucks" (in geek terms, of course) in response to a statement like that.
Now, lest you think I'm only talking about one fellow or two with very high post counts, that's not necessarily true. There are others whose postings share these qualities, but post much less often. Probably they have learned that they have only so much time, and have discplined themselves to not spend too much time here. Or, perhaps they spread their unique knowledge and point of view on some other forum more often --- I am sure that group of folks is fortunate to hear from them.
So, the best answer might be "not never, but it usually takes a loooooong time..."
Don't kid me. You see it once in a great while, admist all the frittering that goes on around here. You can *tell* the voices of experience. Or at least, I can.
Sincerely,
dalecosp
Pre-Epoch Newbie...
stolzyboy
10-16-2003, 10:54 AM
hmmm... ponders dale's post and wonders if he was in tears after writing it, i am from reading it :D
LordShryku
10-16-2003, 11:35 AM
Hrmmm.....dale makes a good point though. I think that it may all be in the eye of the beholder. I was going over some of Weedpacket's code the other day, and sitting here going "how did he come up with that??". Now in my mind, Weedpacket's not a n00b. In his mind, maybe he is.
But then every time I see stolzy's code, I always think "What a friggin n00b. That's just ugly code". j/k :D
But then every time I see stolzy's code, I always think "What a friggin n00b. That's just ugly code". j/k :D
stolzyboy
10-16-2003, 11:45 AM
Originally posted by LordShryku
But then every time I see stolzy's code, I always think "What a friggin n00b. That's just ugly code". j/k :D
Yeah, I can't code to save my arse.
But then every time I see stolzy's code, I always think "What a friggin n00b. That's just ugly code". j/k :D
Yeah, I can't code to save my arse.
LordShryku
10-16-2003, 11:47 AM
Originally posted by stolzyboy
Yeah, I can't code to save my arse.
Prolly a good thing yer arse doesn't depend on it then... :p
Yeah, I can't code to save my arse.
Prolly a good thing yer arse doesn't depend on it then... :p
stolzyboy
10-16-2003, 12:06 PM
Originally posted by LordShryku
Prolly a good thing yer arse doesn't depend on it then... :p
'cept it does, ya know for the ol' job and stuff...
yeah, and among other things as well...
Prolly a good thing yer arse doesn't depend on it then... :p
'cept it does, ya know for the ol' job and stuff...
yeah, and among other things as well...
Moonglobe
10-16-2003, 04:33 PM
i like to think im becoming less of a newb, but i totally agree with dale. and as for context, is there a manual for life? ;)
stolzyboy
10-16-2003, 04:51 PM
Originally posted by Moonglobe
is there a manual for life? ;)
sure, www.google.com
is there a manual for life? ;)
sure, www.google.com
dalecosp
10-16-2003, 04:55 PM
Originally posted by Moonglobe
i like to think im becoming less of a newb, but i totally agree with dale. and as for context, is there a manual for life? ;) LOL, well, you can get one (arguably the best) here. (http://www.americanbible.org/)
No, I'm not trying to start a religious war. It's just the one I've read the most of.
As for you teary-eyed guys, good grief...it's just a post :p --- I thought there was truth in there, but nothing emotionally riveting, to be sure....
i like to think im becoming less of a newb, but i totally agree with dale. and as for context, is there a manual for life? ;) LOL, well, you can get one (arguably the best) here. (http://www.americanbible.org/)
No, I'm not trying to start a religious war. It's just the one I've read the most of.
As for you teary-eyed guys, good grief...it's just a post :p --- I thought there was truth in there, but nothing emotionally riveting, to be sure....
Merve
10-16-2003, 08:17 PM
Originally posted by stolzyboy
hmmm... ponders dale's post and wonders if he was in tears after writing it, i am from reading it :D
And you're the one who told me not to cry! :D
hmmm... ponders dale's post and wonders if he was in tears after writing it, i am from reading it :D
And you're the one who told me not to cry! :D
The Chancer
10-20-2003, 10:35 AM
<back from a few days absence>
OK - I suppose I should have put a subject matter on it - knowing how things go in the EL, but at least it was diverting some of the attention for a while....
OK - I suppose I should have put a subject matter on it - knowing how things go in the EL, but at least it was diverting some of the attention for a while....
stolzyboy
10-20-2003, 10:57 AM
Originally posted by Merve
And you're the one who told me not to cry! :D
huh, i did?
And you're the one who told me not to cry! :D
huh, i did?
dalecosp
10-20-2003, 11:23 AM
Y'know, I tried to write a song/poem about noobs, but the rhyming dictionary was most unhelpful. For example:
lubes, rubes, tubes, boobs, doobs ...
Looks like it would've had to be either a dirty limerick or a Lynyrd Skynyrd anthem....
lubes, rubes, tubes, boobs, doobs ...
Looks like it would've had to be either a dirty limerick or a Lynyrd Skynyrd anthem....
stolzyboy
10-20-2003, 11:25 AM
Originally posted by dalecosp
Y'know, I tried to write a song/poem about noobs, but the rhyming dictionary was most unhelpful. For example:
lubes, rubes, tubes, boobs, doobs ...
Looks like it would've had to be either a dirty limerick or a Lynyrd Skynyrd anthem....
I think you could fit boobs in there somewhere!
Y'know, I tried to write a song/poem about noobs, but the rhyming dictionary was most unhelpful. For example:
lubes, rubes, tubes, boobs, doobs ...
Looks like it would've had to be either a dirty limerick or a Lynyrd Skynyrd anthem....
I think you could fit boobs in there somewhere!
Weedpacket
10-20-2003, 10:34 PM
I just thought it was pronounced "noo-bee". Noobies, Rabies, ...
dalecosp
10-21-2003, 01:57 AM
Doesn't make it much better :(
Newbies, rabies
boobies, babies,
doobies, scabies,
two bees, maybes.....
Newbies, rabies
boobies, babies,
doobies, scabies,
two bees, maybes.....
Merve
10-21-2003, 08:46 AM
I one met a newbie
Who had really big boobies
She had lots of babies
Who had rickets and rabies
:confused::D
Who had really big boobies
She had lots of babies
Who had rickets and rabies
:confused::D
jayant
12-23-2003, 01:51 AM
never!!!
the more you learn, more the world still to be explored expands.
the more you learn, more the world still to be explored expands.
LordMerlin
12-29-2003, 04:13 PM
Ok, dumb question, but please explain the term n00b.
LordShryku
12-29-2003, 04:14 PM
newbie. new person.
LordMerlin
12-29-2003, 04:40 PM
ok, cool, thanx
Shrike
01-09-2004, 10:43 AM
The most important thing I know is that I know very little
Someone probably said that, once.
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush
Someone said that too and they were quite clearly insane, so go figure.
Someone probably said that, once.
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush
Someone said that too and they were quite clearly insane, so go figure.
dalecosp
01-09-2004, 11:23 AM
Originally posted by Shrike
Someone probably said that, once.
Someone said that too and they were quite clearly insane, so go figure. Hmm, was that Mr. A. Non Emus?
Someone probably said that, once.
Someone said that too and they were quite clearly insane, so go figure. Hmm, was that Mr. A. Non Emus?
mellymell
01-10-2004, 12:50 AM
Hey everybody...
I'll go ahead and add my 2cents. I put 1yr, although I think not being a n00b is more along the lines of skill rather than time. I figure, if you have a working (albeit not infinite) knowledge of PHP (you know your way around a quite a few functions) and don't stare at the screen for 15 minutes wondering where to go next, you're probably not still considered a n00b.
I think a n00b is only somebody who is just getting their feet wet and really can't complete any programming tasks without asking for help.
I wouldn't judge according to style (because we all have our own preferences and nobody-not even the creators of PHP-can tell you you're wrong (that's what makes it a PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE). As long as it works, it works (there may be a better way, but it still works...
Point is, if you can get the job done with minimal help (not including reference books - where would we be without 'em), I'd say you're not a n00b anymore, and after a year, I think you should have arrived at this point.
I'll go ahead and add my 2cents. I put 1yr, although I think not being a n00b is more along the lines of skill rather than time. I figure, if you have a working (albeit not infinite) knowledge of PHP (you know your way around a quite a few functions) and don't stare at the screen for 15 minutes wondering where to go next, you're probably not still considered a n00b.
I think a n00b is only somebody who is just getting their feet wet and really can't complete any programming tasks without asking for help.
I wouldn't judge according to style (because we all have our own preferences and nobody-not even the creators of PHP-can tell you you're wrong (that's what makes it a PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE). As long as it works, it works (there may be a better way, but it still works...
Point is, if you can get the job done with minimal help (not including reference books - where would we be without 'em), I'd say you're not a n00b anymore, and after a year, I think you should have arrived at this point.
davidjam
08-12-2004, 06:41 PM
I just completed my first year with PHP and I definitely consider myself a new bee. My ego was growing by the day until I came to this site and realized how little I knew.
I admire the humility of the experienced coders on this site, and I certainly DON'T consider them newbies. I think the newcomers who come here (like myself) and ask all kinds of questions (and expect answers) could use a little more of this precious quality...
I admire the humility of the experienced coders on this site, and I certainly DON'T consider them newbies. I think the newcomers who come here (like myself) and ask all kinds of questions (and expect answers) could use a little more of this precious quality...
BuzzLY
08-19-2004, 11:41 AM
How dare you presume to address us directly! Please use the proper channels! :evilgrin:
:D
:D
davidjam
08-19-2004, 12:44 PM
Lord have mercy! I just posted a tip in the coding forum!
The gods will not be happy.
The gods will not be happy.
LordShryku
08-19-2004, 12:52 PM
Originally posted by davidjam
Lord have mercy!
I have no mercy. You shall be beaten mercilessly with a rubber hose. GUARDS!
Lord have mercy!
I have no mercy. You shall be beaten mercilessly with a rubber hose. GUARDS!
BuzzLY
08-19-2004, 02:10 PM
Oh, great, not the rubber hose again... Lord, I thought we took that away from you!?
LordShryku
08-19-2004, 02:12 PM
$2.99 at the Home Depot :p
piersk
08-20-2004, 05:27 AM
Do you know what we haven't seen for a while?
A good LARTing. Where's Lizzy when you need her? :p
A good LARTing. Where's Lizzy when you need her? :p
Drakla
08-20-2004, 11:42 PM
I've been up to my eyes in php for over a year, and am currently doing about 14 hours a day, 7 days a week - Of my 275 posts about 6 have been questions (only about 2 of those were answered!) and the rest have been help. I had 8 years of C++ experience before php so it was right in for me... and do I feel a newb? Hell yes! But only in the bits I haven't dug into yet, eg I love Sxooter's passion for postgres, so feel a complete newb to him because it's something I eventually want to know - and I also love Shryku's out and out "One Foot in the Grave" misery. Half the stupid posts I read I just think "Please let him answer that and give them verbal kick in the windpipe." and so feel like a cretin compared to him. I also agree with the humility of people like Drawmack and Buzz being great as I've met so many wankers who know nothing... but know how to shout.
LordShryku
08-21-2004, 01:08 AM
Originally posted by Drakla
I also love Shryku's out and out "One Foot in the Grave" misery.
Hey! I mean...uh...Thanks! Er..no, I mean that's not nice. Or, uhm..oh hell..I dunno.
I also love Shryku's out and out "One Foot in the Grave" misery.
Hey! I mean...uh...Thanks! Er..no, I mean that's not nice. Or, uhm..oh hell..I dunno.
Drakla
08-21-2004, 02:42 PM
Oh - "One Foot in the Grave" is a comedy show in Britain that's just fantastic, I should have said
LordShryku
08-21-2004, 04:11 PM
I'll have to check that out....
My boss often tells me about how bitter I am. And that bitter and blunt is a bad combination. But I am what I am ;)
My boss often tells me about how bitter I am. And that bitter and blunt is a bad combination. But I am what I am ;)
Weedpacket
08-22-2004, 01:22 AM
Originally posted by LordShryku
I'll have to check that out.... The theme music is by Eric Idle, if that gives you any hint....
I'll have to check that out.... The theme music is by Eric Idle, if that gives you any hint....
piersk
08-23-2004, 06:30 AM
Originally posted by LordShryku
I'll have to check that out....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/guide/articles/o/onefootinthegrav_7774990.shtml
Originally posted by Weedpacket
The theme music is by Eric Idle, if that gives you any hint....
See, to me that says "Monty Python" rather than One foot
I'll have to check that out....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/guide/articles/o/onefootinthegrav_7774990.shtml
Originally posted by Weedpacket
The theme music is by Eric Idle, if that gives you any hint....
See, to me that says "Monty Python" rather than One foot
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