Good Java Forum

[planetsim]

Ive been wanting to take a plunge to see what Java is like and what the huge fuss is all about, however i havent found any good forums just for Java as of yet and yes i have been to the Java Sun Forum didnt like it much.
So does anyone know of a good one?

[Shrike]

One of the Java guys at work is always browsing http://www.theserverside.com/ instead of working ;)

[bubblenut]

:eek: How can you not like the java.sun.com forums. Duke Dollars are a brilliant idea and there are soooo many users you're bound to get the answers you need.
Devshed (www.devshed.com) do a java/jsp forum and quite a few pretty good articles
Bubble

[planetsim]

Already knew about DevShed.. just dont feel welcome there really not like here :D

So Java Sun forum is best? if that is the case ill try and like it.. really i will :(