Time To Move On...

[elementaluk]

Hey,

Been doing PHP for a while now and there is nothing I can't make, but the internet has limitations, theres really only so much useless crap you can make with php before it gets repetitive...same ~bleep~ different day sort of thing.

So i'm thinking its time to move onto something a bit hardcore, so if anyone could suggest a half decent programming language that isn't Visual Basic/.NET...basically anything microsoft has touched...or JAVA, I can't stand java!.

Oh yeah, does anyone know where the official C++ website is?

Cheers

P.S. have I ever told PHPBuilder how much I ~bleep~in hate vBulletin board, and that they got totally ripped off with this peice of ~bleep~

[mogster]

Did I hear the words "PHP" and "useless crap" mentioned in the same sentence? :eek:

Sad to see someone quit php, but if that's your opinion, well..

Aren't you even gonna miss the rare and exquisite minds here in the Echo Lounge? Bet the C++ guys only sits in their corner talking memory leaks and so on. :D

knutm ;-)

[mogster]

A sudden date-awareness crept upon me..

[planetsim]

learn C :D

[elementaluk]

yay april 1st!...gotta think of a good prank...

even though pushing someone in front of a bus is funny for a while, theres too much legal crap involved afterwards...ok gotta go think really hard until it hurts (hurts already).

If anyone has any links to C/C++ resources,tutorials or crash courses please post them (i know its april 1st but please dont post links to porn saying its tutorials, uhh...unless its free)

happy pranking :D

[Moonglobe]

still 4 hours over here... and actually i'm looking to learn some C(++)? as well.. although i'm having fun using PHP as a sysadmin language, as i'm too lazy to learn Perl. then there's always PHP-GTK... doesnt seem you've explored PHP as far as it can go yet.

[planetsim]

get the C Programming language by KR very good book, i can say so its the only C book i have.

[laserlight]

If anyone has any links to C/C++ resources,tutorials or crash courses please post them
C/C++ Reference (http://www.cppreference.com/)
Cprogramming.com (http://www.cprogramming.com/)
cplusplus resources (http://www.cplusplus.com/)

The 1st one is good for a simple reference.
The 2nd one has good forums, though the tutorials are somewhat outdated in some cases.
The 3rd one is ok, though their STL section appears to have been under construction for around 2 years.

Then of course you can search the Web for other websites, such as
An 'Interview' with C++'s creator (http://flinflon.brandonu.ca/Dueck/1997/62285/stroustroup.html)
or on a more serious note
Bjarne Stroustrup's homepage (http://www.research.att.com/~bs/)
which links to a C++ glossary of terms.

For a crash course I'd say buy/borrow/steal Accelerated C++ (http://www.acceleratedcpp.com/)
I only read it long after I learnt C++, but it certainly would have helped alot when I was a rank beginner.

[mogster]

I bought this prank, you bugger! :D

knutm ;-)

[dalecosp]

Hey,

Been doing PHP for a while now and there is nothing I can't make, but the internet has limitations, theres really only so much useless crap you can make with php before it gets repetitive...same ~bleep~ different day sort of thing. Hey, alright! Time for PERL!!!!! :D :D :D :D :D

[swr]

For anyone who is _actually_ looking for something else, something fun rather than resume-padding like Java or .NET, Python seems to be pretty cool. It is strongly OO (unlike PHP) but it doesn't force OO style down your throat (the way Java and .NET do).

[laserlight]

Lisp, anybody?

[Weedpacket]

Brainf*ck!

[elementaluk]

hmm...C & Python are both cross-platform (Linux/Windows...mac doesn't count), both sorta similar to PHP (or so i've heard)...i've got about 20 years to spare...~bleep~ it, i'll try both.

thanks for the suggestions guys...n' girls

P.S. i'm not quitting PHP! I just wanna try computer programming.

[goldbug]

Originally posted by elementaluk
hmm...C & Python are both cross-platform (Linux/Windows...mac doesn't count)

Since when didn't Mac count? OS X can compile stuff just as well as the rest of the unix-like systems out there, and last I checked, there are more Mac users than Linux users.

In fact, OS X comes with a C compiler and Python (gcc 3.1, python 2.3), and afaik, no version of windows has either of those standard.

[elementaluk]

hello,

ok tried C++, and wow does that suck, but it has potential.
Why does it suck? string functions aren't very dynamic, cant seem to find any useful regular expression functions, and its array functions are just useless (unless you wanna make an array of pointers...theres a point, honest).

So i've started writing my own PHP function library, nothing to do with PHP, the only similarities are the names of the functions.

So far i've got about 20 string functions (trim,ltrim,rtrim,str_replace,chr,str_repeat,crypt,stristr,ucwords,ucfirst,htmlspecialchars,stripslashes,addslashes...and a few more)

Hoping to imitate nearly every PHP function (because lets face it, PHP is the easiest language to use/learn), then making desktop programs will be as effortless as making web programs.

So if anyone would like to contribute, please post.

I will eventually post the source code on my forum (http://forum.biosonik.com/viewtopic.php?p=102#102), once I fully test it.

[mtimdog]

hmmm...since php is written in C, why not look at the source code of php and implement that into C++(I'm assuming 99% of the code should port). Just a thought though.

[laserlight]

string functions aren't very dynamic, cant seem to find any useful regular expression functions, and its array functions are just useless
You must realise that C++ and PHP are very different, both in what they are intended for, and the level at which the code is interpreted, even though some of the syntax may be similiar.

PHP has many, many functions as part of its core.
C++ doesnt even include input/output as part of its core.

As such, to speak about regex and "array functions" does not make sense.
Rather, you should look for things within the STL, or in libraries/classes available elsewhere, e.g. GNU's regex library.

Yes, it could be possible to make say, the C++ STL string more dynamic, but then that would come at a cost to its efficiency.
Even now some people continue using C strings or write their own string library because available implementations of the STL string is inefficient for what they want to do.

[elementaluk]

PHP has many, many functions as part of its core.
C++ doesn't even include input/output as part of its core.

Exactly! thats why thousands of programmers have turned to PHP for their web development. (that and speed, and a few other things)

Ok obviously PHP has functions that would be of no use in C++, but it also has hundreds of functions that would be of use like: mail() or fopen (allowing a url), or explode & implode (they'll be a pain in the ass as c++ doesn't like arrays of chars but maybe possible with struct).

Hey, if the library helps just 1 person settle into C++ (even if that 1 person is me) i'll be happy.

I dont think i'll rip PHP, better writting it all myself.

[Weedpacket]

C was invented for systems programming - writing operating systems and suchlike. That's why it's been described as "assembler with delusions of grandeur".

C++ was invented as an object-oriented superset of C because its designer couldn't figure out Smalltalk well enough to get his pet project to work.

[Moonglobe]

i thought C++ was designed to show that adding full OOP to a good language doesnt make it better, and in many cases, makes it worse?