Who are we?

[trex005]

okay... I've been a member here since 02-22-2001 and still know no one... tell me... who here is a professional coder, who is aspiring to be a professional and who is not dumb enough to take up that profession, and intends to forever stay an amature (with no negitive conotation)

I for one have been a php developer (and others) professionally for about 4 years, and full time for about 3. I currently enjoy 1/2 owning my own software development company. New Covenant Software (http://www.newcovsoft.com)
we of course do not claim to be artists, so do not diss the site!

[drawmack]

I am a professional coder and have been since 1999. I am fluent in 16 computer languages and have played with upwards of 30. The last language I learned was visual basic which took me about 2 weeks to have a full functioning program up and running with. I currently make my money from unemployment (who said downsizing was a bad thing?) and freelance programming. I am currently enjoying the time off to work on my first canned software package.

[move3rd]

I've been a member here since 04-01-2004 when I first started messing with php. Obviously I'm a total amature. I've spent the past 9 months modifing cubecart for my independant elecronic music store (compare that to writing your own app in a lanuage you've only been learning for 2 weeks! :queasy: ). I'm just trying to pick up as much as i can while and frantically try to get a working site together. I just hope it will be successfull enough to cover my living expenses one day. Maybe then I could call myself a pro programmer?

[dkruythoff]

Uhm, what makes a professional?

Anyway, I've been hauting this place since approx. April 2002 (see dar-k).
I started PHP around that time.
Before that I worked as a web designer till at some point I was asked to do some Perl work, and then ASP (brrr).
Now I mess with PHP, SQL, and Javascript on a daily basis.
I've taken up C as a hobby too.

[Weedpacket]

Originally posted by dkruythoff
Uhm, what makes a professional?You get paid for doing it.

[dkruythoff]

Originally posted by Weedpacket
You get paid for doing it.
I got paid for learning it.

Honest.

[vaaaska]

Originally posted by dkruythoff
I got paid for learning it.

It's a great way to learn if you can find a way to pull it off - meaning, you have nice clients (or supervisors) who know what you are doing and allow for the occasional hiccups.

[LordShryku]

I got paid for learning it and get paid to do it on a daily basis, though I'm far from professional.

[Merve]

I don't get paid and I rarely code. Oh well.

[drawmack]

"A proof is a proof. What kind of a proof? It's a proof. A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven." -- Jean Chrétien


2^2 = 2 * 2 = 4
2 ^1 = 2 * = 2
2^0 = * = 1
* = 1


I love proofs

[trex005]

2^2 = 2 * 2 = 4
2 ^1 = 2 * = 2
2^0 = * = 1
* = 1


I love proofs [/B]
lol..... I don't think it quite works that way! but way to think out of the box!

[Merve]

Originally posted by drawmack
"A proof is a proof. What kind of a proof? It's a proof. A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven." -- Jean Chrétien

I love proofs

Canada's former prime minister, Jean Chrétien, actually said that (he was referring about going to war in Iraq, and the lack of proof about weapons of mass destruction). Our current prime minister, Paul Martin, just stutters a lot (like he's always saying something stupid.)

Let's not start a political discussion about this :glare:

[trex005]

okay.... this is drving me nutz!!! my browser keeps displaying it as Jean Chr?tien
I know it is supposed to be Jean Chrétien... but my browser has no problem displaying that anywhere but here... WHY? (firefox BTW)

[drawmack]

Originally posted by trex005
okay.... this is drving me nutz!!! my browser keeps displaying it as Jean Chr?tien
I know it is supposed to be Jean Chrétien... but my browser has no problem displaying that anywhere but here... WHY? (firefox BTW)

In opera Merve's displays fine and yours is messed. So I wrote a php script that looks like this<?php
$name1 = array('Chrétien',array()); //Merve's Entry
$name2 = array('Chrétien',array()); //trex005's Entry
for($i=0;$i<strlen($name1[0]);$i++)
$name1[1][] = ord($name1[0]{$i});
for($i=0;$i<strlen($name2[0]);$i++)
$name2[1][] = ord($name2[0]{$i});

echo 'Merve: ' . $name1[0] . '<blockquote><pre>';
print_r($name1[1]);
echo '</blockquote></pre>';
echo 'trex005: ' . $name2[0] . '<blockquote><pre>';
print_r($name2[1]);
echo '</blockquote></pre>';
?>Here is the output from firefoxMerve: Chr�tien

Array
(
[0] => 67
[1] => 104
[2] => 114
[3] => 233
[4] => 116
[5] => 105
[6] => 101
[7] => 110
)

trex005: Chrétien

Array
(
[0] => 67
[1] => 104
[2] => 114
[3] => 195
[4] => 169
[5] => 116
[6] => 105
[7] => 101
[8] => 110
)
The output in opera is the same. This is quite interesting as the ascii value of the third character is the same. My guess would be that one of you is using the ascii code and one is using the unicode. By further though I guess that Merve is using unicode since trex can't read his data. Of course this is only supposition. But it is an interesting point.

Edit: Ooppss I looked at the wrong code before:

Merve's code: 233
Trex005's code: 195

Lookup on http://www.asciitable.com reveals that
233 = Capital Omega
195 = |- character

Rather interesting neither is the correct code of 130.

[trex005]

you are correct... I tried changing my browsers encoding and then the charictor I output appears as junk whilst the origional output was the proper one..

I was origionally set to unicode, and now I am set to ISO-8859-1 (though I'll probably be switching back)

[Weedpacket]

As good a reason as any to write &eacute; as &amp;eacute;. (Just checking something: everyone get things like &Omega; &uarr; and &infin; rendered properly?)

[drawmack]

I see Omega, Cut and Infinity

[trex005]

me too!!!

[Weedpacket]

Good enough for me :)

[dalecosp]

Originally posted by Weedpacket
You get paid for doing it. Which makes me one, strange as it seems, I guess....

Note that he didn't say *how much* ...

but of course that a big question mark, too, isn't it?

I love to just sit in my big chair and type code, but I *need* to get out and see people, and see that my talents and abilities, applied to their situation, bring relief to the technological problems that affect them ...

So, I'm a consultant, a trouble shooter, a geek4hire, whatever.

And, I hold down another job on the weekend, and my wife works part time ... if I'd build a fence I could be a rancher, too ....

You do what you have to do .... ;)

[piersk]

Originally posted by dalecosp
And, I hold down another job on the weekend,

Oooh, whats that???

[Elizabeth]

He could tell you, but then he'd have to kill you.

[piersk]

I'm willing to take the risk, being on another continent and all... :rolleyes:

[trex005]

with the newest gate technology (stargate) different contenants are not an issue anymore!

[piersk]

Anyway...

I'm a final year Comp Sci student. Proficient in both ASP and PHP. Learning java for my project (and supposedly writing up my pre-project report at the moment). Having looked at a few UK based job search engines, it seems that people are willing to pay quite a bit of money, even if you don't have x years of experience.

The prospects are good :)

[move3rd]

Originally posted by piersk
Having looked at a few UK based job search engines, it seems that people are willing to pay quite a bit of money, even if you don't have x years of experience.


What job search engines are they? Everything I've seen has min 2yr's 'working' experiance and they expect you to be proficient in serveral languages.

[piersk]

Originally posted by move3rd
What job search engines are they? Everything I've seen has min 2yr's 'working' experiance and they expect you to be proficient in serveral languages.

Generally tho, if you look at the languages they mention things like HTML or CSS. Admittedly not proper language, but anyway. Just learn ASP. I did that on my placement so I am proficient in both tht and PHP