Re: [PHP-DEV] do_declare_property() From: Andi Gutmans (andi <email protected>)
Date: 07/12/00

That is zend-cvs <email protected> and not lists.php.net :)

Andi

At 14:16 12/07/00 +0300, Andi Gutmans wrote:
>At 12:41 PM 7/12/00 +0200, waldschrott wrote:
>>>The best is to discuss this before going ahead and implementing it.
>>
>>I think you´re taking part at this problem, for me (personally), its not
>>easy to find out what´s Zend Tech doing at the moment and in the next
>>days,weeks or months. There is no page/app (I know of) where one can
>>watch where the development of Zend/php will go.
>
>Well right now, there is only maintenance going on when it comes to Zend,
>mostly by Zeev, Stas and myself and help from the PHP community with bug
>fixes and build issues (Sascha). You can watch Zend CVS commits by
>subscribing to zend-cvs <email protected> (zend-cvs-subscribe <email protected>).
>It is open to everyone.
>
>I think it is very important to freeze development for a while just to get
>all of the bugs ironed out and there are bugs here and there. Making big
>changes would lead to a PHP 4.1 or PHP 5 and might have big impacts on
>initial stability. As 4.0.0 was only released a while ago I prefer ironing
>out existing issues and not adding more features/bugs.
>
>>If there are private/public vars/methods planned, if there´s already a
>>timeframe and so on...
>
>There is nothing "planned". There have been quite a few good ideas (and
>some not that good) on php-dev and other mailing lists. I would like to
>see some of these developed in another few months time.
>The main problem (and advantages) with PHP is that it is a very loosely
>typed language. That means there is very little you can do at compile time
>as you have very little information before the script actually starts to run.
>Implementing things such as public/private vars in an efficient way would
>have to be done at compile time like in Java/C++. Their life is much much
>easier because they know EXACTLY what is happening and what type every
>variable is at compile-time.
>I believe in order to implement some of the "requests" for advanced
>programmers will require us to add some new extended syntax to PHP and the
>programmer would have to code more according to Java/C++ style and less
>according to PHP style which is extremely dynamic.
>I think PHP should keep its main strength which is fast development time
>and that people without programming experience can easily start writing
>scripts with hours of learning.
>On the other hand, as time goes by, more professional programmers are
>using PHP and adding more conservative programming ways for them is not
>something I oppose. However, it requires a lot of thinking and it will
>require the programmers who decide they are "advanced" to follow stricter
>coding rules (such as declaring class types and so on).
>
>>Also, it would be *very* interesting to get information on the actual
>>state of development on zend compiler, as far as it is out, I´d use and
>>if non-free buy it (many others too - even one of our business guys asked
>>if that *compiler stuff* is working) . As far as there´s an early beta
>>I´d like to test it.
>>
>>I´m on the list for a while now and I know what you (Andi) and a few
>>others think of different things like implementing more OO stuff etc. -
>>but how should others know?
>
>Actually most of the discussion has been on php-dev, but there hasn't been
>a lot of it because I'm reluctant at this stage to make major changes in
>PHP 4.0.x.
>There isn't any "internal" development on the Zend Engine going on in Zend
>Tech.
>
>>I´d like to see the development process of zend tech a bit more
>>transparent without the need to manually browse the code... (and even
>>then I do not know what´s planned to be realized...)
>>
>>Maybe I´m missing some important resource of information, then please
>>excuse me.
>
>
>Andi
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>
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