Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-CVS] cvs: php4 / TODO From: Kristian Köhntopp (kk <email protected>)
Date: 10/13/00

Jim Jagielski wrote:
> As I understood it, "disappointing" as in a different expectation.
> Doron's presentation was more a "marketing" presentation than
> a "technical" one.

I believe the terms "disappointing" or "lacking in vision"
come from my summary of the PHP congress, which was also
posted to php-dev. That summary is a personal view of
the congress, telling my view of things.

_I_ was disappointed, not "PHP is disappointing", because I
expected something different from that talk than what was
being told. I expected that talk to show the current place
of PHP in the great scheme of things in the web world, and
how and why it got there. I had expected then some information
on what PHP is currently more sorely lacking and how Zend
will remedy that. All that was not in the talk, leading to
my "lacking in vision" comment.

Sure, the environment on the congress was a bit extreme, as it
became apparent for the first time how large projects are done
with PHP on the inside and what problems these projects need
to overcome in order to get their jobs done, sometimes
"despite" PHP. The vision thing is to analyze such projects,
find the "despite" parts and remedy the PHP concept in such
a way that the development environment is again part of
the solution space, and not part of the problem space.

> But, as we all know, acceptance of any
> Open Source platform, PHP included, _requires_ such presentation
> to "convince" management of the value of Open Source.

There was an extremely good talk given by Chris Cartus at
the congress, which you might want to hear. Or you might
even want to CC directly, as he is in the business of consulting
web startups as a CTO. Listen to him, and take his advice,
he clearly has a number of very valid points regarding the
use of PHP in projects, which you should consider and address
in the future development of the language and the platform.

> If I may refer to ApacheCon, we got quite a number of requests
> for _more_ marketing and business focused presentations...
> Sometimes technical presentation are little more than "preaching
> to the choir" :)

This is Germany, and this was a developer focused conferent.
Germany being Germany, and nerds being nerds, one should concentrate
on tech, not on benefits. :-)

Kristian 

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