[PHP-DEV] Re: [PHP-QA] Re: 4.0.6 From: Zak Greant (jag <email protected>)
Date: 05/03/01

Jani wrote:
> <CRAZY IDEA>
> Maybe we should have something like the terrorist cells?
> ie. groups of 3 persons who know only about the one above them?
>
> X
> __|_
> / \
> a b
> / | \ / \
> c (d) e e g
>
[...]
> </CRAZY IDEA>

    Wow.... this sounds like one of my ideas Jani. :)

    All we need now are some phpqat_tree_balance, phpqat_tree_...
    functions and we are good to go! ;)

    Seriously, IMO, this would be something fun to test off list
    in one of the lags between a RC. We might learn something
    neat and we might come up with a bunch of useless but
    wickedly funny TLAs. :)

> >>4.0.5 took very long to release, and it seems like it could
> >>have been released a month ago - pl1 is inevitable anyway.
> >I don't see a pl1 happening. We will go right to 4.0.6.
>
> Why would we need a pl? As there really isn't anything that
> broken which would need it? (nothing that broken that wasn't
> broken before)
>
> >I don't think that the QA team is a joke just because they can't
> >necessarily pull the plug on a release. Don't forget that a lot of the QA
>
> Yes it is. As long as there is less than 5 persons who can decide
> on this, QA is a joke.
>
> >Anyway, why are we continuing to waste time on this instead of fixing
bugs
> >and emptying the bugs database.
>
> At last he gets to the point! :)

    After taking the time to really think about the current state
    of the QA process, I think that we are doing just fine.

    Our current process is better than the old process (aka none)

    Now, each of us is smart enough to be able to single-handedly
    rework the process into a perfect shining vision of how
    QA should run. ;) However, as a group, we have to be
    moderate - or perhaps to rephrase that, we can't ramrod
    changes past Zeev. ;)

    Those of us who want to improve the process can do so by
    watching the areas that matter to us.

    I want to keep unneeded changes out of the RC process.
    My opinion on RCs is like my mother's opinion on dinner:

        Don't heap up your plate so much, you can always
        go back for seconds.

    So, I should watch CVS and squeal when anything non
    bug related comes down the pipe.

    If I do this regularly, I would guess that I would
    have a much greater effect than any written set
    of strict guidelines.

    I think that if each of us takes a healthy interest
    in the areas that matter to us and works to help
    handle the relevant part of the process, we will find
    that the process smooths out.

    Take a look at who has made the most difference in how
    we do things - it is not the people who make policies
    for other people to follow. It is the people who do
    the work and in doing so, establish how others should
    do it.

    --zak 

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