RE: [PHP-DEV] Linux Today Article From: Zeev Suraski (zeev <email protected>)
Date: 08/15/01

Very nice non-PC statement! :)

Zeev

At 02:20 16-08-01, Blake Schwendiman wrote:
>Just my opinion, but right now (meaning this year, maybe a little longer) I
>feel that PHP is more than adequate for developing small, medium and large
>sites. I work on both sides of the fence. My day job has been developing
>portions of large web sites using ASP/COM/COM+ and the evolution of these
>tools which is the frame of the .NET product/service. For my personal and
>more interesting work, I prefer PHP by far.
>
>I feel that there is a mass of hype surrounding new development paradigms,
>but we are far from declaring one technology a winner. ASP is provided by a
>company with a great deal of resources and an interest in providing tools to
>its customers. I don't have a problem with that, but right now I don't
>think many of the customers really know what they want. With no offense
>intended toward many working hard on and with XML, I say XML hasn't proved
>its worth in very many places. I personally don't know anyone who is using
>XML for anything and very few who have plans to use it. So why should I get
>worried about whether a language currently supports one of its extensions.
>Am I using it? Are my customers using it? Really?
>
>The ASP model has some wonderful features. Components can be great, but too
>much componentization can be a nightmare. In my personal experience an
>enterprise component architecture is a double-edged sword. It's great to be
>able to plug in well-built components and use them, but the downside is that
>component writers disappear, companies go out of business, support can be
>difficult to obtain and so on.
>
>I've rambled a bit, but my feeling is that the Linux Today Article is
>premature. PHP can (and likely will) support the features mentioned in the
>article, but the real question is, are these really the features that are
>going to be used? Will I be developing web applications with these features
>in 1 year, 3 years or 5 five years? Is PHP or ASP (.NET) providing me with
>the real tools I need to develop web applications today? For me, both tools
>provide what I need today, but I like PHP better.
>
>Blake
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Sebastian Bergmann [mailto:sb <email protected>]
>Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 2:30 PM
>To: php-dev mailinglist
>Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] Linux Today Article
>
>
>Edin Kadribasic wrote:
> > Where is the PHP enterprise component architecture?
>
> What exactly would that be?
>
> > What about clustering and failover?
>
> This has nothing to do with the language, IMHO, but with the
> platform, ie. the web server. I guess there are solutions to
> provide clustering and fail-over to Apache and MySQL, for
> instance.
>
> > Where are the WSDL and UDDI implementations?
>
> What are WSDL and UDDI? Are there libraries out there can be
> wrapped into an extension?
>
> > Show me a framework.
>
> Horde is a framework, and I guess there are some more out there.
>
> But I fear that there is truth in this. We should analyze what,
> besides the upcoming changes on the language level (with the
> Zend Engine 2.0), we need to make PHP compatible with ASP.NET.
>
> Maybe Zend has some feedback from their enterprise clients on
> what features are requested, etc.
>
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