RE: [PHP] Dreamweaver 4 ignores PHP - again From: Maxim Maletsky (maxim.maletsky <email protected>)
Date: 11/15/00

Hey, why do we talk about Dreamweaver here anyway?

Dreamweaver was used and respected in my company until I got in here.
All "dynamicity" was here based on Dreamweaver libraries features. Until it
crashed.
and the whole 9.000 pages website went to the hell.

NOW, it's all on my PHP/mySQL design and is being much much more stable. no
jokes like that anymore.
it is portable and accessible.

I do not personally care who uses what. Our designers are using Macs
installed with all the Macromedia and Adobe staff.
All I care is that they do not alter PHP codes on pages that have <?...?>.

I personally use Linux (x-windows sometimes) for coding, but often I need to
use my Mac for designing purposes and Windows 2000 for administration staff
like office things etc..

Do you know what I use for HTML?
Microsoft FrontPage (funny, isn't it?) but it's quite cool for doing
scratches of complicated tables and implementing graphics on pages with
tables etc.

 ... AND THAT'S IT ...

I have NEVER left even a piece of WYSIWYG code on my pages. I always work
manually. I type and alter codes by hand, and the WYSIWYG tools are being
used only to speed up some staff like I described above.

I do carefully rewrite all that generated code leaving only tables and
images values. And I noticed that you can always trick browsers if you don't
"think different". You can make the code being about 60% shorter, cleaner
and faster by typing it manually.

This is a right way to work, I think. I don't care (don't even want)
Dreamweaver to support PHP, makes no sense. I rather care about him altering
my PHP codes.

WYSIWYG just makes some untalented people believe that they are good in what
they are doing.

Let's use WYSIWYG toys for design where it fits better and VIM:Linux /
EditPlus:Win for coding whatever we code.

Cheers,
Maxim Maletsky

P.S: no offence, remember: my team went through 9.000 pages of (cut &
paste)ing because of the Dreamweaver. 2 weeks of work, no RegEx was helping
because Dreamweaver wasn't writing the code in the same way on different
pages.

Cheers!

-----Original Message-----
From: Steven Holloway [mailto:steven <email protected>]
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 11:17 AM
To: php
Subject: RE: [PHP] Dreamweaver 4 ignores PHP - again

I really dont care if macromedia go to PHP integration
i am not a designer but sometimes i have to use the tools the
designers use. I am not really interested design, but i dont think its
fair to slag a tool just cos its wysiwyg as many have. I am Linux & Windoze
user
under Linux I use VIM. Under windows I use Homsesite, Homsite is far nicer
to use
ans some 3rd party extenmsions make it the bets tool i have seen for PHP
I wouldnt be without my Linux box. Maybe after Kylix is released we will se
some
nice tools ported to X and then i can kiss windows good bye (yay).

My point is not trying step on peoples feet for using their fav tools.
Use the tool your comfortable with. I am in a company where there are mostly
designers
and the company pays for the software (which is tax deductable anyway) so
price is not
issue really.

These debates on this list tend get people fired up a bit too much.
I used to code all my HTML by hand. But if it takes a few minutes in
Dreamweaver
to build something then a few minutes to clean it up by hand thats probably
a half hour
i have saved to put back into PHP/MySQL.

All said and done each to there own, but those out there who go about
slagging people
off for using particular tool, should keep it to themsleves since they are
not uselful comments.

another note i have some 3rd party extentions for Dreamwever that iconize
PHP code in the wysiwyg
and also allow you to drop in PHP code. But the editor still leaves much to
be desired hence i dont use it
I'' look for the site i got them from and post the links of anyone is
interested.

Cheers
*******************************
Steven Michael Holloway
Web Programmer
Port Douglas Internet Services
Cairns Australia
steven <email protected>
*******************************

-----Original Message-----
From: root [mailto:root]On Behalf Of callen
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 11:18 AM
To: Steven Holloway
Cc: php
Subject: Re: [PHP] Dreamweaver 4 ignores PHP - again

Greetings!!
<snip>
> Macromedia have done some great things
> with these integrations, still somewhat buggy(name software that isnt)

Well how about vi--emacs?? I think what you mean to say is that they
have a long time to go before they are fully workable tools?
Do you think that they will go the way of full php intergration?

>> but
> hey it works well and its fast
> anyone who is still hand design there HTML is clearly behind the times
> or have there head so far......

Aye... "The Times"! Fear the future when the next release puts a huge
dent in your pocket book.

> anyway Our Graphics guy does up designs in Fireworks, one of the web
> designers
> moves it to Dreamwaver and makes a template. I can then move that to PHP
> if needed. And generate nice looking pages with dynamic content.

Bravo! I do the same thing in emacs plus read my mail--check news--view
logs etc:).

Well, to each their own. 

--
 		 Christopher C.M. Allen

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