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From: Widodo, Joni (Indonesia) (Joni.Widodo <email protected>)
Date: 03/27/00

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> From: Widodo, Joni
> (Indonesia)[SMTP:JONI.WIDODO <email protected>]
> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2000 6:48:48 PM
> To: php3 <email protected>
> Subject: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW:
> [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3]
> FW: [PHP3] FW: [P HP3] FW: [P HP3] FW: [P HP3] FW: [P HP3] FW: [P HP3] FW:
> [P HP3] FW: [P H P3] FW: [P H P3] FW: [P H P3] FW: [P H P3] FW: [P H P3]
> Questi o n t o Al l w hoev er ma k es PH P (w a s: Sec u ri n g PHP a
> s a module)
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>
>
>
> ----------
> From: Widodo, Joni
> (Indonesia)[SMTP:JONI.WIDODO <email protected>]
> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2000 6:34:38 PM
> To: php3 <email protected>
> Subject: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW:
> [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3]
> FW: [PHP3] FW: [P HP3] FW: [P HP3] FW: [P HP3] FW: [P HP3] FW: [P HP3] FW:
> [P HP3] FW: [P H P3] FW: [P H P3] FW: [P H P3] FW: [P H P3] Questi o n t o
> All w hoev er ma k es PH P (w a s: Sec u ri n g PHP a s a module)
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>
>
>
> ----------
> From: Widodo, Joni
> (Indonesia)[SMTP:JONI.WIDODO <email protected>]
> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2000 6:20:08 PM
> To: php3 <email protected>
> Subject: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW:
> [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3]
> FW: [PHP3] FW: [P HP3] FW: [P HP3] FW: [P HP3] FW: [P HP3] FW: [P HP3] FW:
> [P HP3] FW: [P H P3] FW: [P H P3] FW: [P H P3] Questi o n t o All w hoev
> er ma k es PH P (w a s: Sec u ri n g PHP a s a module)
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>
>
>
> ----------
> From: Widodo, Joni
> (Indonesia)[SMTP:JONI.WIDODO <email protected>]
> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2000 6:05:44 PM
> To: php3 <email protected>
> Subject: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW:
> [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3]
> FW: [PHP3] FW: [P HP3] FW: [P HP3] FW: [P HP3] FW: [P HP3] FW: [P HP3] FW:
> [P HP3] FW: [P H P3] FW: [P H P3] Questi o n t o All w hoev er ma k es PH
> P (w a s: Sec u ri n g PHP a s a module)
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>
>
>
> ----------
> From: Widodo, Joni
> (Indonesia)[SMTP:JONI.WIDODO <email protected>]
> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2000 5:56:52 PM
> To: php3 <email protected>
> Subject: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW:
> [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3]
> FW: [PHP3] FW: [P HP3] FW: [P HP3] FW: [P HP3] FW: [P HP3] FW: [P HP3] FW:
> [P HP3] FW: [P H P3] Questi o n t o All w hoev er ma k es PH P (w a s:
> Sec uri n g PHP a s a module)
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>
>
>
> ----------
> From: Widodo, Joni
> (Indonesia)[SMTP:JONI.WIDODO <email protected>]
> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2000 5:48:32 PM
> To: php3 <email protected>
> Subject: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW:
> [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3]
> FW: [PHP3] FW: [P HP3] FW: [P HP3] FW: [P HP3] FW: [P HP3] FW: [P HP3] FW:
> [P HP3] Questi o n t o All w hoev er ma k es PH P (w a s: Sec uri n g PHP
> a s a module)
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>
>
>
> ----------
> From: Widodo, Joni
> (Indonesia)[SMTP:JONI.WIDODO <email protected>]
> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2000 5:39:16 PM
> To: php3 <email protected>
> Subject: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW:
> [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3]
> FW: [PHP3] FW: [P HP3] FW: [P HP3] FW: [P HP3] FW: [P HP3] FW: [P HP3]
> Questi on t o All w hoev er ma k es PH P (w a s: Sec uri n g PHP a s a
> module)
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>
>
>
> ----------
> From: Widodo, Joni
> (Indonesia)[SMTP:JONI.WIDODO <email protected>]
> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2000 5:34:06 PM
> To: php3 <email protected>
> Subject: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW:
> [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3]
> FW: [PHP3] FW: [P HP3] FW: [P HP3] FW: [P HP3] FW: [P HP3] Questi on t o
> All whoev er ma k es PH P (w a s: Sec uri n g PHP a s a module)
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>
>
>
> ----------
> From: Widodo, Joni
> (Indonesia)[SMTP:JONI.WIDODO <email protected>]
> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2000 5:30:16 PM
> To: php3 <email protected>
> Subject: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW:
> [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3]
> FW: [PHP3] FW: [P HP3] FW: [P HP3] FW: [P HP3] Questi on t o All whoev er
> ma kes PH P (w a s: Sec uri n g PHP a s a module)
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>
>
>
> ----------
> From: Widodo, Joni
> (Indonesia)[SMTP:JONI.WIDODO <email protected>]
> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2000 5:26:31 PM
> To: php3 <email protected>
> Subject: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW:
> [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3]
> FW: [PHP3] FW: [P HP3] FW: [P HP3] Questi on t o All whoev er ma kes PH P
> (w as: Sec uri n g PHP a s a module)
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>
>
>
> ----------
> From: Widodo, Joni
> (Indonesia)[SMTP:JONI.WIDODO <email protected>]
> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2000 5:23:15 PM
> To: php3 <email protected>
> Subject: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW:
> [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3]
> FW: [PHP3] FW: [P HP3] Questi on t o All whoev er ma kes PH P (w as: Sec
> uri ng PHP a s a module)
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>
>
>
> ----------
> From: Widodo, Joni
> (Indonesia)[SMTP:JONI.WIDODO <email protected>]
> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2000 5:19:49 PM
> To: php3 <email protected>
> Subject: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW:
> [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3]
> FW: [PHP3] Questi on t o All whoev er ma kes PH P (w as: Sec uri ng PHP a
> s a module)
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>
>
>
> ----------
> From: Widodo, Joni
> (Indonesia)[SMTP:JONI.WIDODO <email protected>]
> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2000 5:16:53 PM
> To: php3 <email protected>
> Subject: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW:
> [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3]
> Question t o All whoev er ma kes PH P (w as: Sec uri ng PHP a s a
> module)
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>
>
>
> ----------
> From: Widodo, Joni
> (Indonesia)[SMTP:JONI.WIDODO <email protected>]
> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2000 5:14:21 PM
> To: php3 <email protected>
> Subject: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW:
> [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] Question t o
> All whoev er ma kes PH P (w as: Sec uri ng PHP a s a module)
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>
>
>
> ----------
> From: Widodo, Joni
> (Indonesia)[SMTP:JONI.WIDODO <email protected>]
> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2000 5:11:53 PM
> To: php3 <email protected>
> Subject: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW:
> [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] Question t o All whoev
> er makes PH P (w as: Sec uri ng PHP a s a module)
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>
>
>
> ----------
> From: Widodo, Joni
> (Indonesia)[SMTP:JONI.WIDODO <email protected>]
> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2000 5:09:01 PM
> To: php3 <email protected>
> Subject: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW:
> [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] Question t o All whoev er makes PH
> P (was: Sec uri ng PHP a s a module)
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>
>
>
> ----------
> From: Widodo, Joni
> (Indonesia)[SMTP:JONI.WIDODO <email protected>]
> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2000 5:07:41 PM
> To: php3 <email protected>
> Subject: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW:
> [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] Question t o All whoev er makes PH P (was:
> Sec uring PHP a s a module)
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>
>
>
> ----------
> From: Widodo, Joni
> (Indonesia)[SMTP:JONI.WIDODO <email protected>]
> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2000 5:06:16 PM
> To: php3 <email protected>
> Subject: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW:
> [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] Question t o All whoev er makes PH P (was: Sec uring PHP
> a s a module)
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>
>
>
> ----------
> From: Widodo, Joni
> (Indonesia)[SMTP:JONI.WIDODO <email protected>]
> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2000 5:04:46 PM
> To: php3 <email protected>
> Subject: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW:
> [PHP3] Question t o All whoev er makes PH P (was: Sec uring PHP a s a
> module)
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>
>
>
> ----------
> From: Widodo, Joni
> (Indonesia)[SMTP:JONI.WIDODO <email protected>]
> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2000 5:03:10 PM
> To: php3 <email protected>
> Subject: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] Question
> to All whoev er makes PH P (was: Sec uring PHP a s a module)
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>
>
>
> ----------
> From: Widodo, Joni
> (Indonesia)[SMTP:JONI.WIDODO <email protected>]
> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2000 5:02:01 PM
> To: php3 <email protected>
> Subject: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] Question to All
> whoever makes PH P (was: Sec uring PHP a s a module)
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>
>
>
> ----------
> From: Widodo, Joni
> (Indonesia)[SMTP:JONI.WIDODO <email protected>]
> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2000 4:59:30 PM
> To: php3 <email protected>
> Subject: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] Question to All whoever makes
> PHP (was: Sec uring PHP a s a module)
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>
>
>
> ----------
> From: Widodo, Joni
> (Indonesia)[SMTP:JONI.WIDODO <email protected>]
> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2000 4:52:00 PM
> To: php3 <email protected>
> Subject: [PHP3] FW: [PHP3] Question to All whoever makes PHP (was:
> Securing PHP a s a module)
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>
>
>
> ----------
> From: Sickboy[SMTP:SD209 <email protected>]
> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2000 4:53:00 PM
> To: PHP Support
> Subject: Re: [PHP3] Question to All whoever makes PHP (was: Securing
> PHP as a module)
> Auto forwarded by a Rule
>
> > My problem generally is PHP's lack of support for ISPs hosting several
> > VWs on one server. Generally any setup, where different VWs are
> > on the same machine. (This includes most machines running php, I guess.)
> > With this lack of security PHP definitely lost battle against perl :((

> I dont wanna start a flame war but im PRETTY sure that the PHP/ZEND guys
have
> though very seriously about security, also if the security module was so
lax in
> PHP then there is a hell of alot insecure servers on the net (according to
the
> Netcraft survey).
> Please think before sending a message of such forcefulness to the list.

My first mail to this list was:

> > > How am I supposed to configure PHP as a module when there are more
> > > virtual webs on the server ?
> > > The problem is that PHP scripts run with the UID/GID apache itself
> > > has. Every VW has its own UID/GID, but the files must be readable by
> > > apache and thus readable by any PHP script!!

The _ONLY_ answer I got was:

From: "Perry J. Blalock" <badger <email protected>>
> > I asked this same question about a month ago. The short answer is no.
> > To get what you want and you've obviously already figured that
> > out, is to run php as a cgi.

Running PHP as a cgi defeats some of PHP's features. Required features.
(I stated this in my first mail, running PHP as a cgi is not an option)

AND

Running PHP as a module is insecure in the aspect I described above.

I am absolutely not against PHP. I just considered running php
on a server hosting different, independent VWs.
The conclusion at this point is:

1. I can run PHP as a cgi, losing some (sometimes required) functionality.
   (not to mention performance)
2. If I run mod_php there is no way to secure VWs against each other.
   (which _IS_ possible using cgi/suExec - and this is what I meant with
    my "such forcefull" sentence about perl and stuff ;))

None of the above 2 possibilities are acceptable.. :(

I'd still be very happy to hear that I am wrong here and there is a
solution...

.SiCk of IT.

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