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RE: Re: [PHP3] PROS AND CONSHi, From: alain samoun (alain <email protected>)
Date: 05/02/00

I second that, at this point, what Manuel should do is to continue to
develop his Metabase program to make it the best choice for the users
community.

 Message from Alain Samoun
alain <email protected>
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-----Original Message-----
From: Sterling Hughes [mailto:sterling <email protected>]
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 10:40 PM
To: Manuel Lemos
Cc: ron <email protected>; php3 <email protected>; manir786 <email protected>
Subject: Re: Re: [PHP3] PROS AND CONSHi,

>On 30-Apr-00 20:12:12, you wrote:
>
>>> To me that sounds pretty much you are not interested in cooperation
besides
>>> asking to peek on the package our sources files as Stig asked me when I
>>> announced Metabase beta testing phase.
>>>
>>> I don't have a problem with that, but its obvious if you asked for
closer
>>> cooperation the whole PHP community would gain much more because you can
>>> always learn much more if you talk directly to the developers of the
>>> database abstraction packages instead of just peeking into their code.
>>> Since you are showing no interest in such level of cooperation, it's
>>> obvious a loss of opportunity for everybody.
>
>>We have no problems cooperating with people and everybody is invited to
>>pitch in and add their experience to the effort. Yourself included. The
>>fact that we didn't go out and actively pursue everybody who has written a
>>db abstraction layer is irrelevant. Our code is in CVS, it is visible to
>>everybody, if people are interested they will find it.
>
>If your idea of cooperation is to scratch what we have been using for a
>long time and is rock solid, for something that only you designed, it is
>barely started and so it is not yet useful and won't be any time soon,
>forget it.
>
>PHP users need a database abstraction package *NOW*, not in a couple of
>years when it will have all the basic features that one should have and
>there will not be any more API changes so you can rely on the current API.
>
>You don't seem to reckon the importance of that and the opportunities that
>PHP is loosing. Anyway, I had no hope that you would reckon anything
>sensible about this, because as I said, you never showed any real interest
>in others work other than peeking at their sources.
>
>I'm afraid, that later rather than sooner, you will realize your mistake
>in not promoting real cooperation and instigating competition inside a
>community that needs established standards to get credibility and proper
>recognition. :-(
>

Manuel,

Methinks though doth protest too much.

You have the right to create your own database abstraction layer and promote
it, just like Stig or Rasmus or anyone else has the right to create there
own package and promote it as much as they want.

Also, both packages are free, if I decide to create something that you've
already created am I going to get flack from you for not just using your
product?

People have different opinions on how things should be done, that's how
progress occurs. No one is under any obligation to use your database
package.

Should we be criticizing you for creating Metabase? Should I be saying hey
Manuel, your not out for the best needs of the PHP community because you
decided not to contribute to DB.php but instead create your own database
independent API, Metabase.

I hope this discussion doesn't go on longer. Manuel, I like you and many of
your scripts, I think your site is a great contribution to the PHP
community, however, I'm tired of having to delete these messages over and
over again. At least just agree to disagree and stop criticizing DB.php on
the mailing list, it really doesn't do the community any good.

Respectfully Yours,
Sterling Hughes
sterling <email protected>
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